QUOTE (plumber @ Jul 3 2009, 09:45 PM)

As unions have served their purpose in the past today they are strictly there to protect the lazy and whiny. I've been a member of several and all I ever saw was money coming of my pay cheque to help the lazy prick who I and others had to cover for on the job.
I hesitate in responding to this thread as union/non union tends to sit on a shelf amongst the pro life/pro choice, religion, politics lot... however, union vs non union is something that's interested my curiosity for some time...
Growing up in a small business owning house hold, I didn't grow up with union values. It surprised me to learn slang terms like "contra ban" from a friend who worked in a union... and that it was "normal" apparently, to take things like paint, lumber, metal, safety gear etc... Because either the benefits weren't good enough, the holidays weren't long enough, or treatment at work was simply unacceptable. When Harmac (a pulp and paper mill) was operating in Nanaimo on Vancouver Island, well... how shall I put this... lets just say there are a LOT of houses in Nanaimo from back in the day that are painted "Harmac Green."
Friends from all kinds of unions. Be it the mill, Canada Post, the Port Authority, Safeway... I found this consistent across the board. Longer breaks. Longer lunch hours. More doddling to get a job done. More benefits, wages, time, gear, status, Christmas bonuses, things stolen, etc... expected.
I sure can appreciate how someone in the aviation industry might want the protection of union mandate, so to speak. I just think the attitude of excessive entitlement that so often seems to accompany, and often run along side, union values would really be such a shame to see in this industry.
Just my 2 bits. For what it's worth...